Researching in Georgia - Taliaferro, Toliver, Lawrence, Brewer, Askew, Dorsey, Jackson, Poole, Butler, Allen, Gilbert, Crawford, Middlebrooks, Gates, Parks, Thompson, Alford, Favors, Guise, and related surnames.

31 August 2009

Madness Monday

My first Madness Monday post is a puzzle that has followed me for years.

My gg grandfather was Miles Taliaferro. Miles is a major brick wall and a story I’ll save for another time.

Miles had five sons: John Wesley Taliaferro (my great grandfather), Alexander "Alex" Taliaferro, Robert Taliaferro, David Taliaferro, and Thomas Taliaferro. (Miles also had daughters, but they are not the focus here). At some point, after the 1880 census, Robert and David changed their names; they became Bob Toliver and Dave Toliver. This caused a major brick wall until I got death certificates for Bob Toliver and Dave Toliver that confirmed their father was Miles. (Thomas may have done so as well, but I have no documentation for that if he did). In the 1880 census, Miles and family are right where I expected to find them - Fulton County, GA with the surname spelling I expected - T-A-L-I-A-F-E-R-R-O. The same goes for the 1870 census except there the name is spelled T-O-L-L-I-V-E-R. After 1880, I cannot find any trace of Robert Taliaferro/Bob Toliver or David Taliaferro/Dave Toliver until they show up in the 1910 census; again right where I expected to find them - Fulton County, GA- but now they are Bob TOLIVER and Dave TOLIVER. They are now married with children. A thirty year gap. Darn that 1890 census!!!! (I do have a possibility for Robert in the 1900 census, but can't confirm it's him. This candidate is single and living alone in 1900. In the 1910 census Robert/Bob has children in the household who were born before 1900. I am not sure if these are his children with his wife, or her children from a prior marriage, but something feels "off" about this family.)

Taliaferro is a surname for which the pronunciation and the spelling do not match. Taliaferro is often pronounced tah-li-ver. I know it was pronounced that way by my ancestors, and most likely by their slave owner as well. When Taliaferro is pronounced
tah-li-ver, the spelling can easily change to Toliver or Tolliver. This is probably what happened with Robert/Bob and David/Dave. I wonder what prompted this change to the phonetic spelling? Whether it was a matter of choice or convenience, or some other reason, I’ll probably never know. Interestingly, my great grandfather John Wesley, his son John Robert, and his son John Lawrence (my father) continued the Taliaferro spelling and tah-li-ver pronunciation. My brother and cousin disagree. They say no way can T-a-l-i-a-f-e-r-r-o be pronounced tah-li-ver. So, they both pronounce it tel-i-fer’ro. I switch back and forth depending on my mood. :)

I have searched and searched the 1900 census, page by page and line by line, but I cannot find Robert Taliaferro/Bob Toliver or David Taliaferro/Dave Toliver anywhere. (I’m not sure about Thomas; he may have been otherwise engaged- on "vacation"- I'm still working on him; I have found John Wesley Taliaferro and Alex Tolliver). Robert/Bob died 9 April 1920 and David/Dave died 3 February 1951, in Fulton County, GA. What happened between the 1880 census and the 1910 census? Did they move away; temporarily relocate? Were they missed by the census takers-both of them? I have nothing to lead me to other relatives in another county or state where they may have gone possibly in search of work, or for some other reason. Where were they in 1900?


  1. Honey, when you get the answer to that mystery of why you can't locate the brothers, please let me know! The census, ALL OF THEM, are a blessing & a thorn in my side.

    They answer many questions & generate TONS more!

    So happy to have you in the fold San! Happy day, happy day!:-)

    Time for you to tweet-tweet! The world must know your Ancestors have arrived (or is it returned?)!


  2. So true Luckie, census records are both a blessing and a curse.

    Tweeting is next on my list!!

  3. Sandra, I have similar situations minus the name change. And even though I know every one of us has to deal with that 20 year gap caused by the missing 1890 census, there are days I can deal with that problem better than others. Why does it seem like so many critical events happend during that 20 year gap?

    And I won't even talk about the relatives that just simply seemed to disappear after the 1910 census.

    Glad you decided to start blogging. It really does help. I've made connections with a whole new set of cousins thanks to the blog, ancestry, and afrigeneas. And do join us on Twitter.

  4. Mavis,

    I am hopeful blogging will help. With one exception, I have not run across anyone researching my ancestors. I am hitting brick walls in every direction, but I know there's got to be somebody out there. Maybe this blog will lead me to some new connections.

  5. Very interesting story, indeed. I am sure there is more to come, and I have a feeling those walls will be tumbling down sooner than later!

    I found it interesting that our ancestors share several given names. My great-grandfather was John Wesley Green. One of his sons was named John (after him, of course),and another was William Lawrence. Just a coincidence, but interesting. :)

    Also, I just thought I'd mention that I have taught a few Taliaferro children. In all cases here in my area, the name is pronounced, "Tal-i-ferro." I'd never even heard the alternate pronounciation around here!

  6. Oh, and I just read the other comments and want to add my two-cents worth about that lost 1890 Census.